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The Constitution Is An Out-Dated, Anti-Democratic Relic

By Meagan Day and Bhaskar Sunkara Ms. Day is a staff writ...
beta cuck provider
  08/09/18
Libs really are quite dumb
Sir Incelot
  08/09/18
Agreed. We need a new one that defines life at conception.
average/ordinary/typical citizen/person
  08/09/18
#CancelTheConstitution
Buck "The Club" Paulette
  08/09/18
Libs are insane they're really going to ramp up w the Cons...
Don Kihote
  08/09/18
This was always the end game
DrakeMallard
  08/09/18
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ESL TM..,..;;.
  08/10/18
Well TBF it was
Buck "The Club" Paulette
  08/09/18
No, they are. And with the destruction of civics and amer...
Sir Incelot
  08/09/18
this is already a foregone conclusion
THOT_RAVAGER
  08/09/18
Cr #ConventionOfStates
""'"'''"
  08/09/18
i agree. a broken clock is right twice a day - they are corr...
THOT_RAVAGER
  08/09/18
The Confederacy wasnt wrong
Sir Incelot
  08/09/18
They would probably make it more clear that abortion was man...
Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle
  08/09/18
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guy who gets it
  08/09/18
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'"''"'"'
  08/09/18
meanwhile, many "conservatives" still support &quo...
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  08/09/18
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CRAFT BEER PORTLAND FAGGOT
  08/09/18
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guy who gets it
  08/09/18
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""'"'''"
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prince rat fuck spinning
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don't run nigga i see you
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Driving back in silence from retirement home
  08/09/18
and "Meagan Days"
CapTTTainFalcon
  08/10/18
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guy who gets it
  08/09/18
come at me libs
John Jacob Jingleheimerdood
  08/09/18
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Insane right-wing gun nut
  08/09/18
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Bullfrog
  08/09/18
As always, xo was out in front of this. http://www.autoad...
Bullfrog
  08/09/18
Libs are predictable and should just be killed
beta cuck provider
  08/09/18
Without a Virginia Plan approach to Congress, this country w...
Royall Jenkins
  08/09/18
It’s like the writers disingenuously assert that the framers...
,.,.,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.
  08/09/18
They probably should have mentioned that. Maybe something l...
Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle
  08/09/18
It's painfully obvious that once in power, libs will push to...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  08/09/18
they literally write for the Jacobin.
beckersted.
  08/09/18
believe me, thats just the same as the nyt these days. they ...
prince rat fuck spinning
  08/09/18
...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  08/09/18
Not joking: might need to fight another civil war if this se...
Bullfrog
  08/09/18
Hot take
""'"'''"
  08/09/18
Cogent response.
Bullfrog
  08/09/18
No I’m serious I haven’t heard this before
""'"'''"
  08/09/18
No I'm serious. Your words are knives, the sharpness of whic...
Bullfrog
  08/09/18
I enjoyed both sides of this sub thread
Insane right-wing gun nut
  08/09/18
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Fuck libs, fuck hipsters, fuck hippies
  08/09/18
180
""'"'''"
  08/09/18
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YAS QUEEN
  08/09/18
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Belisarius
  08/09/18
the Constitution is anti-democratic. it vests political pow...
hopkin green frog and toad
  08/09/18
How long til they propose blowing up Mt. Rushmore?
legless albino black kid in the hood
  08/09/18
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/lets-get-rid-of-mo...
beta cuck provider
  08/09/18
lmao jfc
legless albino black kid in the hood
  08/09/18
Intersectional as fuck
Sir Incelot
  08/10/18
like rush limbaugh, do we?
spaceporn2525
  08/09/18
Stopped reading at the “but Wyoming has fewer people than Ca...
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  08/10/18
"These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversi...
.,.,.,',..,.,.,"
  08/10/18
they aint wrong...but they fail to understand that the const...
this nigga eating memes!
  08/10/18


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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: beta cuck provider

By Meagan Day and Bhaskar Sunkara

Ms. Day is a staff writer at Jacobin, where Mr. Sunkara is editor.

Consider a few facts: Donald Trump is in the White House, despite winning almost three million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. The Senate, the country’s most powerful legislative chamber, grants the same representation to Wyoming’s 579,315 residents as it does to 39,536,653 Californians. Key voting rights are denied to citizens in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other United States territories. The American government is structured by an 18th-century text that is almost impossible to change.

These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers. For James Madison, writing in Federalist No. 10, “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention” incompatible with the rights of property owners. The byzantine Constitution he helped create serves as the foundation for a system of government that rules over people, rather than an evolving tool for popular self-government.

Writers on the left such as Jacobin’s Seth Ackerman and the journalist Daniel Lazare have long argued that constitutional reform needs to be on the agenda. Even some liberals like Vox’s Matthew Yglesias rightly worry that the current system of governance is headed toward collapse.

These perspectives are vital at a time when many progressives regard the Constitution as our only line of defense against a would-be autocrat in the White House. Yet whether or not the president knows it, the Constitution has long been venerated by conservative business elites like himself on the grounds that it hands them the power to fend off attempts to redistribute wealth and create new social guarantees in the interest of working people. There’s a reason we’re the only developed country without guarantees such as universal health care and paid maternity leave. While preserving and expanding the Bill of Rights’s incomplete safeguards of individual freedoms, we need to start working toward the establishment of a new political system that truly represents Americans. Our ideal should be a strong federal government powered by a proportionally elected unicameral legislature. But intermediary steps toward that vision can be taken by abolishing the filibuster, establishing federal control over elections and developing a simpler way to amend the Constitution through national referendum.

How hard would change be? As Mr. Ackerman reminds us, while constitutional change is straightforward and feasible in most countries, “an amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the consent of no less than thirty-nine different legislatures comprising roughly seventy-eight separately elected chambers.”

But it’s a problem worth confronting. As long as we think of our Constitution as a sacred document, instead of an outdated relic, we’ll have to deal with its anti-democratic consequences.

This article is part of the Opinion Today newsletter. David Leonhardt, the newsletter’s author, is on a break until Aug. 27. While he’s gone, several outside writers are taking his place. This week’s authors are Meagan Day, a writer for the socialist magazine Jacobin, and Bhaskar Sunkara, the magazine’s editor. You can sign up here to receive the newsletter each weekday.

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586747)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Libs really are quite dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586774)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person

Agreed. We need a new one that defines life at conception.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586791)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

#CancelTheConstitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586800)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Don Kihote ( )

Libs are insane

they're really going to ramp up w the Constitution was written by old white supremacists

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586803)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)

This was always the end game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586813)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36589902)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

Well TBF it was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586815)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

No, they are.

And with the destruction of civics and american history in high schools and colleges, the population will be much more suscpetible to their shit arguments. This wasnt the case a few decades ago when the majoriry of the population had been exposed to the counter arguments in civics and government classes in high school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586820)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: THOT_RAVAGER

this is already a foregone conclusion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586821)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: ""'"'''"


Cr

#ConventionOfStates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586810)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: THOT_RAVAGER

i agree. a broken clock is right twice a day - they are correct in identifying the constitution as a mostly irrelevant, outdated framework for the present-day US

do you really think if the founding fathers were teleported to the present-day US, they would write up the same constitution? they would be horrified by what they saw, and if prompted to produce a new "constitution", would use much more explicit language in the interests of protecting our "institutions" and "way of life"....if you know what i mean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586816)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

The Confederacy wasnt wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586830)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle ( )

They would probably make it more clear that abortion was mandatory and couldn't be regulated by any level of government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586884)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: guy who gets it (donny)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586894)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: '"''"'"'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587217)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,..,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


meanwhile, many "conservatives" still support "merit-based" immigration in order to import more "Bhaskar Sunkaras" to help rip apart your constitution...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586837)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: CRAFT BEER PORTLAND FAGGOT



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586864)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: guy who gets it (donny)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586868)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: ""'"'''"




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586874)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: prince rat fuck spinning



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587117)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: don't run nigga i see you



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587515)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: Driving back in silence from retirement home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587598)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 12:09 AM
Author: CapTTTainFalcon

and "Meagan Days"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36589906)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: .,,..,..,.,.,:,,..::,,..,:,..,.:,.,..:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591291)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:29 AM
Author: : ^ )



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591488)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: guy who gets it (donny)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586858)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: John Jacob Jingleheimerdood

come at me libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586905)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587082)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: Bullfrog



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587122)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Bullfrog

As always, xo was out in front of this.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4012818&mc=30&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586956)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: beta cuck provider

Libs are predictable and should just be killed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36586965)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: Royall Jenkins

Without a Virginia Plan approach to Congress, this country will be done here in 20 years, max.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587045)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.


It’s like the writers disingenuously assert that the framers intention was to create a pure democracy. The features they’re describing were designed intentionally as barriers to pure majority rule.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587064)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle ( )

They probably should have mentioned that. Maybe something like "These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587079)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

It's painfully obvious that once in power, libs will push to terminate the Constitution and reorganize the country into a top-down totalitarian state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587067)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: beckersted.

they literally write for the Jacobin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587085)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: prince rat fuck spinning

believe me, thats just the same as the nyt these days. they are all on the same page.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587126)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587128)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: Bullfrog

Not joking: might need to fight another civil war if this sentiment intensifies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587131)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: ""'"'''"


Hot take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587230)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Bullfrog

Cogent response.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587244)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: ""'"'''"


No I’m serious I haven’t heard this before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587251)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Bullfrog

No I'm serious. Your words are knives, the sharpness of which is exceeded only by your intellect. I wont be fucking with you!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587275)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

I enjoyed both sides of this sub thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587281)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:31 PM
Author: Fuck libs, fuck hipsters, fuck hippies



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587643)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: ""'"'''"


180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587692)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: YAS QUEEN (Marchin Lootin Koon)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36588054)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:43 PM
Author: Belisarius



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36588261)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: hopkin green frog and toad

the Constitution is anti-democratic. it vests political power in rural minority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587233)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 5:39 PM
Author: legless albino black kid in the hood

How long til they propose blowing up Mt. Rushmore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36587699)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: beta cuck provider

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/lets-get-rid-of-mount-rushmore

by Wilbert L. Cooper

https://www.wilbertlcooper.com/

Black and Jewish

Ood case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36588069)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: legless albino black kid in the hood

lmao jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36588117)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

Intersectional as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591339)



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Date: August 9th, 2018 7:47 PM
Author: spaceporn2525

like rush limbaugh, do we?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36588280)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: .,,..,..,.,.,:,,..::,,..,:,..,.:,.,..:.,:.::,.


Stopped reading at the “but Wyoming has fewer people than California” line. That is the entire point of the electoral college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591287)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:56 AM
Author: .,.,.,',..,.,.,"

"These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers."

Constitutional republic = "subversion of democracy"? how about "structuring," or "ordering"?

ok, in that case, given the "democracy" envisioned by the authors, i say we continue to "subvert."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591302)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:31 AM
Author: this nigga eating memes!

they aint wrong...but they fail to understand that the constitution is what allows the elite to cram immigrants into america

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047553&forum_id=2#36591506)